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General Coochie
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 19/02/2008 15:16:35
1600 mm plate
or
med guns
or why not both?
Never really flown the thorax much, few times only. About to setup one now when I can use T2 med hybrids for some fun and I was thinking.
5 * Electrons II (Null / Faction Am)
web, disruptor II, mwd
1600mm plate, EANM II, DCU, mag stab II, RCU II
about 250/300 dps from guns. (+ potentially 100 - 150 from drones)
25k effective hp.
compared to Ion setup with two magstabs and 800mm plate
80 dps less (25%)
6k more hp (30%)
compared to 1600mm with t2 small guns. (2EANMs)
120-150 more dps (50%)
5k less hp (20%)
Comparing setups I think electrons + 1600mm plate would win over the other 2. It would omg pwn the light guns thorax for sure even with null loaded at close range.
But how would it perform in general.
Only downside I see is this ship turning and accelerating like a brick. So what do you think?
ECM drones or dps drones in bay.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 19/02/2008 15:22:07
Edited by: General Coochie on 19/02/2008 15:21:32
 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Annowyn
Edited by: Annowyn on 19/02/2008 15:09:48
Do not fit small guns on cruisers.
Well. I'd partially agree. I don't see anything wrong with fitting small guns on a cruiser without relevant gunnery bonuses (like the maller or arbitrator) if it means you can excel at something else (like heavy tackling, E-war or something).
But I've always felt that putting small guns on the thorax was akin to not putting large pulses/beams on an armageddon.
Same here I think small blasters is blasphemy on the thorax, especially when you can fit a 1600mm plate with med guns.
I'm advocating the setup I mention first.
Whats of interest is how it would fare against a ruppy, a ruppy like the one garmon flies in his video. With 220mm vulcans, small nos, small neut, 1600 plate and 2 gyros.
I also believe passive tankin a cruiser is superior to active tank especially a thorax as it cannot sustain a med repper.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
It's really quite simple.
Optimal skills? Electrons and 1600 plate, neutrons and 3 magstabs or some special build.
Decent gunnery? Electrons and 800 plate.
Very low skills/Drone skills? Small neutrons and 1600 plates.
I might be stupid and missed some important post in other thoraxes threads. But I thought I came up with something most ppl seemed to overlook here (as some ppl so strongly advocate some setups).
Guess its one of the better setups then.
Oh well if it was common sense all ready , lulz at me.
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 20/02/2008 00:50:01
Thanks a lot for the feedback.
Small guns without a web and a plate, I don't like it. Your slow, cant keep target in range, and your range on gun sucks.
Yeah dmg is nizzle and thats what the thorax do.
however
The neutron setup deals 120 more dps (25%) 489 vs 610 with max skills, but has 12k less effective HP (50% less). I know these % doesn't prove what setup is best. But I still think that 12k more HP is very useful for many reasons. You are less agile with the plate of course. Living longer means more dps dealt, of course if you got a jammer in gang you might not need a plate.
Have you seen the video garmonation by garmon in the videos section? He kills vagas and other HACs in his rupture. He uses a 1600mm plate + 4 * 220mm ACs and thats how I got the idea. The rax setup I posted will have a bit more hp buffer, more dps then the ruppy, however it won't be able to choose dmg type except if switching drones.
It also doesn't have a small neut and small nos like he has but from watching I don't see the benefit he gets from it even if I realize it will matter in some cases. Thorax is more vulnerable to neuting as it relies on cap for firing.
I also don't think a cap booster is needed as long as you aren't neuted much. In fact a lv V skilled rax is even cap stable with the setup posted if it isn't running the MWD. In most cases I think passive tank fails before cap. But I don't know haven't gotten around flying it yet, got a few days training left.
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